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humhumge LV

发表于 30-10-2009 18:48:52 | 显示全部楼层

笑死我了。

楼主问:【你的理解能力真不是盖的】是什么意思?
我知道啊,可是我不会解释,还是你去 ...
老鼠爱小米 发表于 30-10-2009 18:44


【你的理解能力真不是盖的】=your understanding really 'sucks'..
...
hehe..i am honourred to serve u, sir~(i  mean to answer your ques..hehe)

humhumge LV

发表于 30-10-2009 18:50:25 | 显示全部楼层

going out..c ya..

chaosman LV

发表于 30-10-2009 19:00:37 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 chaosman 于 30-10-2009 19:08 编辑

为什么很多都是在亏了很多或做了很久才明白这其中的道理,
discipline,  patience,   timing 这三条如果深入了解,找个好老师,就少走弯路了。
保本,稳定的回报,卓越的绩效。
认真读了,肺腑之言呀 。

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老鼠爱小米 LV

发表于 30-10-2009 19:13:29 | 显示全部楼层

没有经过Issingaporean同意。。翻译了第一段的内容。。

我对股票交易的一些看法

1. 导言

a. 我不是那些 ...
humhumge 发表于 2009-10-29 19:39


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还剩下第2楼的没有翻译。humhumge也送佛送到西,好事做到底,一起翻译了吧。

你的翻译很通俗易懂,翻译得很好,楼主夸奖你呢,说你是个好孩子,英文很好。

http://bbs.sgchinese.com/viewthr ... =108420#pid27179650

小黑马 LV

发表于 30-10-2009 21:23:04 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 老鼠爱小米 于 31-10-2009 00:22 编辑

没有经过任何人同意,擅自接着翻译了以下部分,俺觉得学到了很多很多。

2. 投资与交易方法
   
    a. 长线投资-五年或以上 (巴菲特所提倡的)
    b. 中线投资-一到三年 (我所提倡的)
    c. 短线投资-不到一年
    d. 投机- 没有资金作后盾的对敲(或叫买空卖空)。

3. 风险与收益

   a. 投资不可能没有风险。
   b. 上面提到的投资方法中,长线投资的风险最小。 其风险是战争,自然灾害以及突发事件, 如雷曼兄弟倒闭等。
   c. 投资周期越短, 风险就越高
   d. 投机的风险是最高的。相当于你去云顶赌博。你当然是希望你的股票会在你输入买入指令后飙升。谁不是这样想呢? 可是股票要是不涨反跌,你又不能等,那就要被迫割肉斩仓,赔了夫人又折兵了。
   e. 所以当你输入买入指令前,就要考虑到这次投资的预期收益会有多少,可承受损失会有多大。别忘了把交易费用考虑在内。

4.长线投资

    a. 买下某公司股票后,一定要保留5 –7年不卖,该公司的基本面一定要好。

     i. 在投资周期内,公司的营业收入,净资产收益率与总资产收益率要有显著的增长
     ii. 公司近几年有从充足的现金流
     iii. 合理的资产/负债比率
     iv. 公司比竞争对手有不可比拟的优势。

   b. 在股票的价值被低估的时候买入。

   c. 买股票最好的时机是大家都不敢买的时候。那时候往往是股市泡沫破裂或是金融危机的时候。最近一次金融危机是由于美国的次贷危机引发的。 在这之前是亚洲金融危机。如果我没记错的话,它最先在泰国爆发,由于泰铢贬值。

   d. 卖股票最好的时机是市场过热的时候,股票价格高到不可思议,公司的生意却不如报道的那么好,当人人都觉得进入股市可以轻松捞钱的时候,你就要离场了。我通常是从菜市场,咖啡店和其他公共场所得到这类信息。
   
   e. 以个人迷信的角度来看,这种波动周期通常是7 年 (所谓“7 年之痒”)。根据Shareinvestor.com记录的过去20年的海峡时报指数曲线图可以看到,这个波动周期好像是5-7 年

5. 中线投资

   a. 中线投资类似于长线投资, 只是投资周期比较短。
   
   b. 选择中线投资的原因是:
   
      i. 你的钱不是闲钱, 你会在将来的某个时候用到这笔钱。
      ii. 笃信“7 年之痒”的规律, 你认为下一次危机为期不远了。
      iii. 你喜欢短的投资周期,这样可以有更多得机会选择其他股票投资。

6. 短线投资

   a. 我相信很多专业人士选择这种投资方法
  
   b. 短线投资需要综合参考以下的因素。

     i. 内幕消息&资讯
     ii. 股票分析报告
     iii. 公司公告
     iv. 技术指标(如1.f提到的)

7. 投机

    a. 老实说,我不应该叫称它为投资方法。

    b. 你买下了股票,期望他在三四天内涨5 巴仙,而且净利要至少是交易费的五倍。只有这样,你才能赚钱,否则你就会成为证券行的奴隶,为他打工而已。

    c. 你的信息来源有以下几个渠道:

      i. 股票经纪的推荐, 我相信他们的本意不是说推荐的股票会在三四天内涨几巴仙,他们的推荐通常适用于短线投资。
      ii. 从朋友或熟人那里得到的“小道消息“。 这些消息都不可靠。你是在赌。好像是去年,我听到了一个消息说某只股票会在近期内“大涨”。是的,它是涨了,可是涨了多少,五厘钱,还不够付交易费的。幸运的是,我没有买,因为我在新交所的网站上查阅了它的财务报表,我发现那个公司的净资产是负的。也就是说那个公司这几年的累计亏损已经超过了它的注册资本。当然,有些消息是准的,但是到你的耳朵里就已经太晚了。你听到或看得这些消息的时候,股价已经涨了很多了。相对强弱指数RSI 已经到了75-80%的区域(RSI超过70%意味着股票已经严重超买了)。你还要买入吗? 买了,你就是最后的“傻瓜”。
     iii. 从网络论坛上得到的消息。这些消息和上面提到的多少有些类似,那些没有根据的,都是不可靠的。诚然,有些人会秀给你看他的技术分析是多么的好,从图表上推算出来支撑和阻力点,成交量分析,价格动量分析是多么的准确等等。好了,问题来了,他们会在正确的时机给你正确的指示吗?记住,没有人敢打保票说他的预测是百分之百的准确。即使你的预测对了,别忘了,你做的是对敲(买空卖空),你的时间和耐心是有限的,这就好像是要你抓住一闪而过的流星一样,容易吗?

     iv. 即时行情

       I) 涨幅最大前20 只股
       II)  活跃股
       III) 热门股

8. 旅鼠现象

     

a. 旅鼠是一种像老鼠的小动物。旅鼠有一个大家都熟知得习性,就是它们喜欢相互跟随,成群结队跳下悬崖或大海集体自杀。


       b.
我读过的关于股票的书籍中,至少有两本书里面提到过旅鼠现象。股民就像旅鼠。当一群人买一只股票时,就会有更多的人跟进,不管三七二十一,不问原因,也不顾后果。赚钱的总是那一小部分明智的人,口袋满满得率先离场,其他的人捡到点骨头渣就不错了。

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Issingaporean LV

发表于 31-10-2009 12:45:11 | 显示全部楼层

没有经过任何人同意,擅自接着翻译了以下部分,俺觉得学到了很多很多。
小黑马 发表于 30/10/2009 21:23

Thank you for the translation of part 2. Good work!

Admin, give him the appropriate credit.

Allow me the take this apportunity to list the books I think worth reading:

1.   Warren Buffett Wealth by Robert P. Miles. Publisher John Wiley & Sons, Inc. (S$38). This is the first book I read about him. It's easy to understand & non-technical. Note: I understand that Buffett never write books.
2.   The Essays of Warren Buffett by Lawrence A. Cunningham. Publisher Wohn Wiley & Sons (Asia) Pte Ltd. (S$35)
3.   Profit From The Panic by Adam Khoo, Conrad Alvin Lim & Ryan Huang. Publisher Adam Khoo Learning Technologies Group Pte Ltd. (S$26)
4.   The Five Rules for Successful Stock Investing by Pat Dorsey. Publisher John Wiley & Sons, Inc. (S$30)

For those who love Candlesticks,
1.   Japanese Candlestick Charting Techniques by Steve Nison. Publisher New York Institute of Finance. (S$203)
2.   Getting Started in Candlestick Charting by Tina Logan. Publisher John Wiley & Sons, Inc.  (S$35)

I have 2 other books on (1) how to value a business, and (2) interpretation of Balance Sheets & Financial Reports. But I couldn't locate them.

You may notice that I didn't list any books on Western Technical Analysis. I don't think I will buy them unless I want to turn professional. I have skimmed through some of these books in bookshops, and I find them uninteresting. The Candlesticks books I mentioned above scratches the surface (briefly) of Western Technical Analysis.

Good Luck everybody. Be wise with your money.:D

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Issingaporean LV

发表于 31-10-2009 16:12:07 | 显示全部楼层

Hi Issingaporean,

Thanks a lot for your wonderful article.

May I ask you a few questions?
sysg 发表于 30/10/2009 14:28

Answers to your questions. A combination of the following based on my (experimental) short-term trades :

1.  Yes and No. I do look at their numbers, but I don't go deeper than that. Take for example I go for the following,
     a.   RSI - below 30% is oversold, and above 70% is overbought. I will try to avoid stocks above 60%.
     b.   MACD Histogram which represents the distance between the MACD Line and Signal Line is in the declining negative values. What it means is the MACD Line is below the Signal Line but is converging upwards making attempts to cross above the Signal. As I mentioned before, proper way is to wait for MACD to cross Signal. It's a matter of risk appetite and personal preference.
     c.   20-day Average Traded Value. I prefer above $500k but never below $300k, because my trade values for most counters are between $6k-$9k unless the stock price is above $9. It should be at least 50 times your intended trade-value. You do not want to get stuck with a stock unable to sell it because there are few buyers. Incidentally, the optimal trade-value is $9k based on a 0.28% brokerage & other fees.
     d.   How many most recent Volume is above the 20-day Moving Average Volume. This represents amount of recent investors' interest in this stock. Price will not move unless there are investors' interest, right? Don't forget Volume picking up can also be due to negative reasons.
     e.   Of course my favorite Candlestick formations. It's really not easy. You notice the formation, you go back to the book to confirm on the formation. You look at other indicators and they say "yes". You buy, but it doesn't go up as predicted. Worse, it goes down. So? Activate your Stop-loss order, be it 5% or 10%.
2.   This is a question for the Wealth Management consultants or Investment consultants. As an ordinary guy, I can only use common sense to make some suggestions. It depends on your:
     a.   Age. Younger people can afford higher risk, because after a fall you can still pick yourself up and continue the fight. Older people can get 'paralysed' for life after a fall.
     b.   Income. With higher income, your most basic & lifestyle needs are mostly satisfied. The remaining money, you can strike a balance between bank savings & investments. What proportion depends on your risk appetite. (i) Do you have to worry about your job? Retrenchment? (ii) Do you have a dependant family: spouse, children and parents? (iii) How about commitments like housing & car loans? Planning to get married?
3.   I don't have special preferences on Sectors for both Long & Short-term trades. However, for short-term trades, I do consider advice given in Analyst reports. Long-term investment is actually quite immune to Sector performance. I pick the companies I have confidence in (criterion mentioned in my original post), and thereafter I don't quite look at them except the following:
     a.   Bad news about the company I bought. If so, better verify the news as soom as possible before it is too late. Meanwhile observe the prices, and take appropriate action.
     b.   Broad market condition, local & world economy. I don't quite bother about market corrections. That's the beauty of Long-term. But I am worried about 'bubble bursting' or 'market collapsing', becasue the STI may go back several years within a very short period.
4.   I can't tell which company will outperform another. You can read Analyst reports. Sometimes they put up such comparison. Hey, you must have forgotten I had a big, big disaster with short-term trades. As for long-term, who can make a judgement on outperformance.
5.   Again, I do not have the expertise to predict growth rate for 2009 or 2010. I don't make a living from trades. I wrote to share my past experiences because I don't like to see 'Lemmings' committing suicides.
As for Long-term appreciation, I can show you my purchase & sale of UOB in 2 cycles:
     Bought in July-2002                       $13.07
     Sold in May-2007                           $23.30
     Capital appreciation                        $10.23 = 78.27% of original investment
     Dividends received                           $4.18
     Total gains                                    $14.41 = 110.25% of original investment
     This is about 16% compounded over 5 years.

     Bought back between
     Nov2008 and Mar2009 (average)    $10.57
     Price on 30Oct2009                       $17.08
     Capital appreciation                         $6.51 = 61.59% of original investment
     Dividends received                          $0.60
     Total gains                                     $7.11 = 67.27% of original investment
     This is 67% over 1 year.
Can you imagine if I have bought UOB @ $3.30 in the down-turn in 1998? One property counter I bought in the first cycle appreciated 227% in capital. However, I must warn again that whatever you do, you are taking some form of risks.
Well, different people has different risk & target appetite. As for me, that's good enough.

The money is yours. Invest with care!!!:sleepy:

老鼠爱小米 LV

发表于 31-10-2009 17:46:10 | 显示全部楼层

Admin, give him the appropriate credit.
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Yes。

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humhumge LV

发表于 31-10-2009 23:17:20 | 显示全部楼层

没有经过任何人同意,擅自接着翻译了以下部分,俺觉得学到了很多很多。

2. 投资与交易方法
   
    a.  ...
小黑马 发表于 30-10-2009 21:23

你真好

humhumge LV

发表于 31-10-2009 23:17:56 | 显示全部楼层

Thank you for the translation of part 2. Good work!

Admin, give him the appropriate credit.

Allow ...
Issingaporean 发表于 31-10-2009 12:45

你真好
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