redvwe

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>luck1023</I>在2005-2-3 20:55:49的发言：</B>
<P><FONT color=#000066>redvwe!! 最后一次提醒你，既然你要作为一个评价者来评价中国，评价日本！那么你就要至少要了解2国的历史和现在，那些路人皆知的证据是不需要我来提供的！既然你要在这里“申辩”那么请你自己做好应该做的功课，不要连小学生都知道的东西要要问别人！不然只能显示你的无知白痴愚蠢，更加请你收回你的话“DON'T BE A FOOL！"因为这句话只适合像你这样FOOL的人。（这个也不是我一个人对你的评价，其他接贴的人你自己可以看看多少人对你有这个评价，可不要说他们都是我一个人扮演的马甲哦）如果你真的那么不了解历史的话，那么你就去网上搜索一下，绝对会让你满意的！！ </FONT></P></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial>Don't try to weasel out of it, I don't see any connecction because there isn't any, why don't you show me what connection there is instead of just claiming there are, as I said, theories need bases and so far neither you nor those mentioned any. You are the one that needs to consult a dictionary before making more of these humiliating accusations. It only multiply in direct proportion to your insanity and dull nationalistic propaganda, other than pretty much everything else you've posted are shallow and almost always contain a degree of political sentiment which is all too obvious to need mentioning. Since you're coupled with ignorance and stubborness, and pretty much has no knowledge of post-war whatsoever, I recommend you read Forsberg's America and the Japanese Miracle on the section on taxs payment and see why the reforms actually started. I read the primary sources I can decide.</FONT></P>

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daniellb10

<P>引用“I don't see any connecction...................“ </P><P>请问，是不是世界上面的事情都要你看到了，才能证明是有的？！你是因为把你自己看成一个“伟人”或者“裁决者”来说这话呢？还是你以为你是一个有万头亿臂（3头6臂也许太少了）的人？还是你以为你可以做一个万亿年存活的“人”？！记住了！请尊重事实，不要说只有你看到的才是事实，没有看到的，或者不知道的，就不是事实，更何况你的知识真的是太贫乏，我自知我的知识是很浅的了。可是你连我都不如。哎。。。。</P><P>引用“I read the primary sources I can decide。“</P><P>嗬嗬，看来你really think you are something. please, what can you decide ?! decide一个国家应该怎么做？根据你的所学来decide历史？你又可以用什么身份来做这个decide?! </P><P>引用 “Considering you spent all that time for this。。。。。。“</P><P>嗯，确实，这点我承认，我原本是想用我的时间，来让你开窍的，让你学点历史+知识，可是。。。。看来我办不到了，我现在才明白什么叫做“朽木不可雕。。。。”，哎。。。。。</P>

lootoonyek

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redvwe

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>daniellb10</I>在2005-2-4 11:26:28的发言：</B>
<P>请问，是不是世界上面的事情都要你看到了，才能证明是有的？！你是因为把你自己看成一个“伟人”或者“裁决者”来说这话呢？还是你以为你是一个有万头亿臂（3头6臂也许太少了）的人？还是你以为你可以做一个万亿年存活的“人”？！记住了！请尊重事实，不要说只有你看到的才是事实，没有看到的，或者不知道的，就不是事实，更何况你的知识真的是太贫乏，我自知我的知识是很浅的了。可是你连我都不如。哎。。。。</P>
<P>嗬嗬，看来你really think you are something. please, what can you decide ?! decide一个国家应该怎么做？根据你的所学来decide历史？你又可以用什么身份来做这个decide?! </P>
<P>嗯，确实，这点我承认，我原本是想用我的时间，来让你开窍的，让你学点历史+知识，可是。。。。看来我办不到了，我现在才明白什么叫做“朽木不可雕。。。。”，哎。。。。。</P></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial>Thats according to you, irrelevant where it originated. The official recent historicans education recognize it as a legitimate. Legacy is irrelevant, the claim of that time is, you're too much self-centered.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial>Its unfortunate that so many scholars today ignore the vast amount of primary source available, and they tend to read from modern secondary sources, in this case, its no wonder that nonsense such as this start to appear in different sites and even books, have they just take a look at the primary sources, it would be much better. In fact not only have your so called "valid" proven invalid, your claims have absolutely no historical backing and you still clung to the clumsy argument in which its existence can't even be verified.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial>Thats little more like a nationalistic historical distortion that try to make every rebellion a nationalistic one when it was nothing more than desperate of live like themselves. There are the least record of that in history, next to none other than once, which was not restricted to the people of you. You are the one that bring it up all the time, if you could just admit it was simply a different understanding of the word, then this rubbish would have stopped. There is nothing irresponsible about my replies, the format I used was grammadically correct, thus its your problem not mine for not reading carefully. But if you bothered reading the given thread that wouldn't happen would it. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial>Your definition is nescient to that of the Japanese recovery, and its aftermath: Nationhood begins when a people successfully establish independence through war and so on. As for the details of the war, I do have the information, but again, I have absolutely no time. This article was written by Forsberg a long time ago and since is getting more discussion I posted here. It all comes down to your problem for not reading the thread I posted, or the confusion would not have surfaced to such levels. There is nothing to be denied. The law has many ways of interpretation, and the way you interpret it is just a usual view, there is no clear defined law in this case. Even top international politicians are neutral, thus no one other than you would buy your attempt to make it a fact when it clearly is not, if you want to continuously try, I'll continuously rebuff it. </FONT></P>

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luck1023

hehe,　佩服你还写那么多，反正我要说得都已经说完了。　如果你还有什么话，你就自己继续说吧。（不过为了这个世界着想，请你少说一点，以免浪费太多的空气）总之，朽木不可雕，　ｒｅｄｖｗｅ不可教啊。。。。。。。

master1

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>fei</I>在2005-1-28 15:50:15的发言：</B>


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<P>so u mean chinese can not point out the problem of china,</P>
<P>but is okay for foreigner to say?</P>
<P>In mainlander every one is saying the same thing as the guy was talking about.</P></DIV>
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master1

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>k2000</I>在2005-1-31 17:53:21的发言：</B>

<P>我们华人有个缺点， 见高就拜， 见低就踩， </P></DIV>
<P><FONT size=3>Congra. You hit the bull's eye with that comments.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Chinese like to step on their own kind but bend over and bow when it is white.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>Just look at the millions and millions of Chinese flocking to church and you</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3>will find your answer.</FONT></P>
<P>That's why I say the 5000 years Chinese civilisation will soon be replaced just like the</P>
<P>native Red Indians in American.</P>

master1

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>ICEchin</I>在2005-2-3 10:26:39的发言：</B>



<P>嗯，有时候真的没必要和这些不懂历史，不懂文化习俗，又装成什么都懂的白痴，做什么解释。</P></DIV>
<P>History ? You want to talk about history ?

<P>Don't you know that history is written by victor and never by loser ?</P>
<P>Even a Primary 3 pupils know this.</P>
<P>Had Japan or German won the war, history would be different.</P>

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marcuz1977

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>master1</I>在2005-2-6 19:15:39的发言：</B>


<P>History ? You want to talk about history ?


<P>Don't you know that history is written by victor and never by loser ?</P>
<P>Even a Primary 3 pupils know this.</P>
<P>Had Japan or German won the war, history would be different.</P>

</DIV>
<P>Actually, I don't think most primary 3 pupils will know that history is written by victors and never by losers. I think not even many adults know of this! Most Singaporeans are apathetic towards history, and general knowledge. Singaporeans just take in textbooks like baby to food, never asking much questions.
<P>By the way, you are a Singaporean Chinese right?</P>

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