关于塑料袋引发的．．．案

Chloe2011

我在某个论坛发了一个关于垃圾袋的帖子，问为什么新加坡超市还在使用这么多塑料袋。（上海和深圳已经开始塑料袋收费了，鼓励人们重复使用塑料袋或是自己的购物袋）
以下是延伸的讨论：Ａ是我，Ｂ是某跟帖者(英国人）

欢迎参与环保和社会话题讨论:)

B: Well :), the blunt answer is that the majority of SGns are so busy grasping for the 5C's that they couldn't give a toss about the environment.

Walk to the MRT past HDB blocks at 5am and witness the daily detritus of sanitary pads chicken bones Kleenexe and orange peel that has been thrown from windows.

A: Thought you'll get fined if you throw anything in a public place? So what is this scenario at 5am around HDB blocks?

B: Only if there is someone to catch you. Behaviour is moderated by fines. No risk of fines...? who cares? In fact the cynic in me suggests that some SGns probably enjoy the kiasuism of throwing trash knowing that they will not be caught.

A: Sure, behaviours are moderated by fines, crime is moderated by law, not much different.

B: Eau dear :P You have moved from an essentially extremely formal and civic society to a wanton Chinese free-for-all. In time you will understand.

A: I come from a much more complicated society (China) than Germany, so I have seen more Huntun than you can imagine. :P

B: Gosh SGns must seem civilised to you! lol

A: Always depends on with what you compare. I've travelled all continents, have seen extremly bad things. I'm definitely not the one who is so fragile. :lolThe difference is always the gap between what you get and what you expect. If I live now in Indian, I'll not talk about plastic bags, but I live in Singapore now.

What I heard and read blah blah is about how organized the Sin society is, I thought it must be so perfect. But just an example, I'm probably the only driver to wait and let the pedestrians cross the streets... The old people have to work nonstop in the airport and food courts, heard they don't have pension or just too less to survive....

A: What I want to say is: essentially extremely formal and civic society is regulated by law.

B: But Germany does not need to fine people for not flushing a public toilet. Consider why
A: Have you heard of an old story about 50 steps and 100 steps? try to google it.
BTW I found the English idiom for the old story "50 steps laught at 100 steps": a pot calls the kettle black. I do like it :lol
Well, not in the extrem case of flushing a toilet, but more or less. Imagine what would happen without so many laws and provisions. You should know in the world the most laws and provisions are written in German. Why?

A: Do you know the MNC will try to take advantage of those societies if law is incomplete there or there is law but it's not strictly followed? I know many of these. Without law restriction, will they really talk about ethic??

B: Is it just MNCs or all companies? In fact is it all companies, or individual/sole traders as well? In fact in your eyes are people parasites on society? Do these parasites need to elect other parasite-controllers in order to control their parasitical tendencies?

A: Talking about MNC is because they act differently in different countries.

I just saw the same companies which grant all the rights to their German employees but not to the employees in other countries where no law asks them to do so. They take the advantages. You must also know Adidas has used child labor indirectly in Indonesia before... Will they dare to do that in Germany or not to control their subcontractors?? That's the reality, believe it or not.

Don't try to put the words into my mouth, that's your understanding of parasites.

Chloe2011

话题又延伸到再生能源的．Ａ还是我，Ｂ还是那位英国人，

B: Yup, this is how these bags are recycled - by the end consumer who uses them for his rubbish bin. As mentioned we really put them to great use by not buying regular rubbish bags instead.
Trouble is that there is a total lack of joined up thinking.
If people don't get carrier bags at the shop, what will they throw rubbish out in? Er, they will have to buy plastic bags.
If people drive electric cars where does the power come from? Er, coal fired power stations.
Because wind power is not predictable, that supply is not dependable and so what is the result? Er, coal, gas and nuclear have to run at full capacity as a back-up 24/7/365.
Joined up thinking? Bureaucrats tick their own single box and declare the job is done. It is moronic, and expensive.
Surprisingly most 'sheeple' seem happy even eager to go along with this nonsense.
A:  I absolutely agree with you. But it seems the e-car market should have its advantage by using renewable energy.
B: .....p.s. What is renewable energy?
A: You don't really need an answer, do you?
B: Er... windmills need 24/7/365 power station back-up. Electric cars get electricty from the same. Can you explain what is renewable please?
A: Then tell me what's behind....intrigue. Or you want to say they are all stupid. :P
B: You mean what is behind ‘climate change’ and all of that? Well, they call them watermelons don’t they? Green on the outside, red inside. Anyone you meet that supports it is either making a living from it, or stupid (sheeple (refer seperate complex side discussion re: false religions and Western self-hatred)). It is down to taking money from the successful.
A: I can't agree on you. I just can say people or country who don't support or are against it are either considering their own interest or blind(?) :lol

Chloe2011

没人对环保或社会话题感兴趣吗？:dizzy:

taylorMaking

:_zlll

这个我会~ 五十步不要笑一百步的英文是。。。。A don’t laugh at B, both are alphabets…

Chloe2011

taylorMaking 发表于 18-2-2011 12:33
这个我会~ 五十步不要笑一百步的英文是。。。。A don’t laugh at B, both are alphabets… ...

嗯嗯，站好队，别歪了。:lol

但是我更喜欢a pot calls the kettle black:lol
更形象，哈哈，罐笑壶黑，多有意思啊，你还说我黑？:lol

firsttry

首先， 叫有钱人改变生活方式。
P 民所带来的问题不及他们的1/10。

Chloe2011

firsttry 发表于 18-2-2011 12:53
首先， 叫有钱人改变生活方式。
P 民所带来的问题不及他们的1/10。

有道理。这位英国人宣称美国人很环保。我说这是天大的笑话。
他说：
B:  I live in Germany, and I have never seen a paper bag! Last time I saw a paper bag was in NYC where at check out they routinely ask if you want 'paper or plastic?'. Dang, those Americans are so environmentally responsible  

我说：
A: I know you can get them from Marktkauf for carrying (for free), Norma (for free), Ebl etc. In many supermarkets you can choose plastic or paper, for free or buying, but for plastic bags you always have to pay! Also can buy the paper bags in the supermarket. My neighbours and I always used them for orgnic waste. Americans are so environmentally responsible??? That must be the biggest joke I ever heard. Talking about Kyoto Protocol!!! You must also read they are the energy guzzler, their cars, their way of living, the highest consume of energy per capita

firsttry

从工业社会开始， 人类所干的事情， 就是最终毁灭人类。

Chloe2011

firsttry 发表于 18-2-2011 13:04
从工业社会开始， 人类所干的事情， 就是最终毁灭人类。

absolutely:hug:

superhero

勇敢的面对事实2012的到来:_wnll