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jjgg2009 LV6

发表于 29-12-2009 12:11:36 | 显示全部楼层

哈哈,迷糊因为和你比较熟,所以在你的帖子里就一时口快,多罗嗦了几句自己对女佣的感觉,并不是针对你家发生的这件事.
我是站着说话不腰疼,要是我新加坡家被偷,我第一时间就送她去警察局了,哈哈,真是多有得罪了.

dawn11 LV10

发表于 29-12-2009 12:21:45 | 显示全部楼层

非常支持!!你妈妈说得对,欺骗和偷窃根本是道德的一种败坏,不应该包庇纵容的。应该生气和惩罚。

女佣 ...
rosemaryyr 发表于 29-12-2009 08:30

呵呵,熊猫妈妈好正义,不过不用生气和惩罚,只是让做错事的负责罢了

迷糊小妈咪 LV12

发表于 29-12-2009 12:31:45 | 显示全部楼层

不是啦,我自己刚刚被勋弟吵得没时间回帖,所以语气似乎也显得激昂了一些。
是啊,有时候我听说别人女佣偷钱,或者虐待孩子,我的第一反应就是:“为什么不送她去坐牢?” 可是我发现更多人都是,算了,算了,送走就好了……etc.到我这儿,我居然也舍不得送她去坐牢,汗……这个我已经很妥协了,所以我还是去blacklist了。大家别往心里去哈。。。我要去看宝宝咯……他今天精神倍儿好,一直不睡觉,我昏死。

-妞妞 LV6

发表于 29-12-2009 12:34:52 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 -妞妞 于 29-12-2009 12:41 编辑

:_qrjlwll  尊重迷糊的决定

Mildlily LV11

发表于 29-12-2009 12:50:19 | 显示全部楼层

致晚报记者 :    我猜想Lili的原意大概是 :对犯了错误的人不要惩罚  ,要用爱帮他回忆和恢复他的纯真本质罢了!请不要歪曲事实 ,也不要引起不必要的纷争。
如有冒犯     见谅!!!-妞妞 发表于 29-12-2009 12:34

晚报记者本来就是一直找我毛病的。我不在乎的, 别担心,妞妞。其实我已经打算每次都忽略她,因为她总是一开始就人身攻击,这样辩论没有互相尊重的基础。发表自己的看法就算了,可是她总是觉得这个世界欠她什么,对别人不满。我想这也是心理不平衡的一些表现。这些需要她自己去解决,再说,她如果不做什么犯法的事情,我也没有必要去和她争。言论自由啊。

犯错误的人是要惩罚的,那个女佣已经得到一些惩罚了,失去工作,失去了联系自己喜欢的宝宝的权利。我是觉得也许这样她能够认识到自己的错误,也许能改斜归正吧。不过我不是她,我也不能保证这个女佣真的就认识错误,也许会卷土重来, 所以我发表那些言论也是很矛盾的。

比如说杀人犯也要请律师来开脱或者减轻罪行的,上帝总想给人机会改错,不错最后法官都要定罪的。

所以对迷糊那样Blacklist女佣,我也是支持的,因为这个女佣屡次不承认偷窃的事情,让迷糊不再对她有同情。

jjgg2009 LV6

发表于 29-12-2009 13:11:30 | 显示全部楼层

哎呀,都怪迷糊的文笔太好了,写了这么有震撼的一篇关于女佣的文章,激起了这么多人对女佣问题的有感而发!

迷糊:你看这样行不?我去你家做女佣照顾你的勋弟吧,他那么可爱,我真的很想照顾他,天天咬他,我保证不偷你的钱!偷你家男人行吗?哈哈哈哈......

rosemaryyr LV9

发表于 29-12-2009 20:34:55 | 显示全部楼层

你知道中国古人在饥贫交加时易子而食的故事吧? 不是贫穷的过错吗?能沦落到这一步,就是因为饥饿贫穷。人 ...
Mildlily 发表于 29-12-2009 09:14






我记得你在一个帖子上说“贫穷不应该是借口”,我也是这个意思。易子而食是极其残忍的事,这种事发生在古代大灾荒,人的第一生理需求受到极大威胁的情况,不能和现在那些女佣相提并论。

教育是素质提升的一种方式,我觉得这不是上多少年学读到什么学历,而是小时候的家庭教育和长大后的自身教育。素质还有很大一部分决定于天性的。我看过不少贫穷出身的孩子,靠自己的努力过着平静快乐的生活。所以我觉得有一大批女佣有相同的偷窃欺骗的问题,不应该把贫穷作为一个解释。是这个社会有一点问题了。

从是非观点看,偷窃绝对是一个大非,我们都做妈妈,没有一个妈妈会教孩子去偷,我们自己也不应该纵容。似乎和正义无关,是基本的是非观念。

无论是做清洁的阿姨也好,还是来家里帮忙的女佣,本来是工作性质不一样,不觉得是奴隶,就是有时候辛苦一点,其实其他工作也很辛苦的,辛苦在不同的地方,这也不是偷窃的理由。

偷窃没有理由。

Mildlily LV11

发表于 29-12-2009 21:59:23 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 Mildlily 于 29-12-2009 22:11 编辑

最近疏于读书,决定闭关多读书了。对于我所说的不合适的言论,希望我没有伤害到任何人。刚刚看到一位RABBI的教诲,觉得自己很卑微,希望自己能够学习更多,能够变得高尚一些。Vayechi(Genesis 47:28-50:26)
GOOD MORNING! The other day I was speaking with a friend who tended to punctuate his speech with earthy, coarse words. I said to him, "You are such a good neshama (soul) and such an elevated, educated person. Such words do not reflect who you really are." He thought for a moment and said, "You're right. I'll stop using them."

One of the distinguishing features of human beings from other species is that we can talk. And one of the distinguishing features amongst human beings is how we use the gift of speech. Do we speak in an elevated manner or in a crass manner? They way we speak says a lot about us - who we are, how we perceive ourselves, who we identify with.

The Torah teaches that human beings were created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). Since God has no corporeal image, the Torah is telling us that we were created in a spiritual image of the Almighty - that we can emulate the Almighty in doing kindness and that we can use speech to perfect this world.

Many times people are not aware of how they speak. Use of curse words demeans the speaker who, after all, should look upon him/herself as a holy individual created in the image of the Almighty! Also, people need to be aware of how they use speech when talking with someone or about someone. Loshon hora (literally, "evil speech") is derogatory speech and is forbidden by Jewish law even when it's true - unless there is a compelling requirement to share the information. Loshon hora is the fuel for hatred, jealousy and contention. It can break an engagement, end a marriage, destroy a partnership, ruin a life. However, proper speech can bring harmony and build relationships. Words can hurt, words can heal.

How do we know what to say, when to say and how to say it? Many of the laws governing speech were compiled by Rabbi Yisroel Meir Kagan in a book entitled "Chofetz Chaim (desires life)". He entitled his book after the verse in King David's Psalms 34:12-14, "Who is the one who desires life ...? Guard your tongue from evil and your lips from speaking deceit." Here are a few guidelines:


10 PRACTICAL GUIDELINES FOR
POSITIVE SPEECH


  • Do not express damaging or derogatory information about someone that might cause him physical, psychological or financial harm, even if it is true and deserved.
  • Promote people's well being. When in doubt, don't speak out.
  • Humor is great, but make sure jokes aren't at someone else's expense.
  • Be kind to yourself. Speaking badly even about yourself is unethical.
  • Don't listen to gossip. If you can't change the direction of the conversation, it is advisable to leave.
  • If you inadvertently hear damaging information, you should believe that it is NOT true.
  • Always give others the benefit of the doubt and focus on the positive.
  • Words once spoken can't be erased. Think before you speak, especially if you are angry, hurt or jealous.
  • Use kind and supportive words with your children and spouse whenever possible. Harsh words can cause irreparable harm as can speaking derogatorily to others about the ones you love most.
  • It is not only permitted, but required, to warn a person about potential harm - for example, that a potential business partner has a repeated record of embezzlement.




Why do people speak loshon hora, derogatory speech? The Chofetz Chaim (as Rabbi Kagan was called in the tradition of referring to a rabbi by the name of the book he wrote) enumerated 7 basic reasons: (1) Anger - losing control. (2) Joking - seeking a laugh no matter who the joke hurts. (3) Arrogance - to aggrandize oneself at the expense of others (4) Giving up hope - thinking that it is impossible not to speak loshon hora. (5) Seeing that others aren't careful - following the bad example of others. (6) Judging others unfavorably - we tend to see the negativity in others that we have in ourselves. (7) Ignorance - not knowing the laws governing proper speech. If we understand what motivates us to speak poorly of others, we can correct our ways in order to speak properly.

香积子 LV10

发表于 29-12-2009 22:21:12 | 显示全部楼层

我是天蝎座,我感情泛滥,经常感情用事。可是只要给我时间冷静,我还是能做到很理智。我想,这次我的理性 ...
迷糊小妈咪 发表于 28-12-2009 23:36



    O(∩_∩)O~
不管你怎么做,姐妹们都会支持你的!

-妞妞 LV6

发表于 29-12-2009 22:22:04 | 显示全部楼层

本帖最后由 -妞妞 于 30-12-2009 03:29 编辑

我  不偷钱 (  虽然我家没钱)     也不偷男人(虽然我家有很多男人)    更不偷菜 (只是晚上在网上偷西瓜)   

迷糊     好心你用我吧      我真的是很想照顾勋弟哦     :_zbzll


不过     我有一样最爱偷    那就是  偷偷偷偷偷偷偷偷偷         :lol
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